No she is about 3 or 4. When FL went back the first time to drop off their son with his dad (ML), ML told her to spend 3 days with him. During those 3 days they did the deed and then she left. During their separation she got pregnant from that time so that was her conception date of their daughter. She never met or saw ML till the demon subjugation time. That’s where he will learn she has their daughter. The daughter was treated very well. Even when they go back with ML she will be treated better than the 1st kid. They both are still shitty parents to the 1st born. Honestly wouldn’t put it past 1st born to look for a woman that similar to his mom due to trauma. Hopefully he doesn’t and has a nicer life with whoever he chooses.
do they (their son and daughter) have a good relationship? Please tell me they will i feel bad for the son
There was this whole debate in those last pages about them being awful parents and somehow this was different from a spoiler in the first page,so I searched the chapters that follow the last webtoon chapter and filtered to read only the parts that the children appeared or were mentioned...and wow! So many pages and you guys just had to give wrong spoilers.Great job,people! Spoiler: Not as bad parents as you guys said(not the best either) So ml told her to take care of son too while they are in the barracks and the moment fl sees her son looking like he wants to cry and yearning for his mom,she feels guilty.She can't express it properly at this moment though but until the end she felt guilty for neglecting him,but did try to be a mother to him. So yes,he asked her to call him by his nickname like it was spoiled.She also properly apologized to him.So they hug,spend time together,she is affectionate to him. Close to the end of main story,she and ml were together with him and she promised to visit him every month and he asked her if it's ok for her to stay the whole month of his birthday with her and she agreed but only if he called her "mother".he never tried to call her "mother" when they reunited. Ml also became more friendly to the children,he doesn't really show favoritism. So those things happened while they were dealing with those things in the camp so it probably a month or less to heal this family? In the side stories there was a chapter were Bill went to spend time with his mother in her territory.Ml was there too,I think it was a year or less from where the main story ended and her son became more bright,he plays with children,he even play with his father with ease.He doesn't really fell awkward with him anymore and is close to his mother. There was this one chapter were it was said that son was a little possessive of his mom affection so of she gave a kiss to daughter,she had to give two to him.He also said to his mother he wishes she won't look guilty when she looks at him and that he wishes for her to scold him too like she does to his sister.So yeah,they feel more at ease with each other. One more last thing about Wilhem,there was a part in the palace that he gave a piggyback ride to his daughter and that when he have nightmares about Reindhart,he can't help but check if his son is ok too.He also makes marks in the walls with his son to count the days until they see reinhard again. Brother and sister dont really get along because they are both jealous of each other.They are always quarreling but they don't hate each other.I don't see Bill killing his siblings as people here were speculating.
Honestly, as much as I loved the story, as much annoying was all the discussion around it, with all the misogyny. No, she wasn’t some monster parent like yall make her to be. The first child was taken care of and had people to rely on, even if his mother wasn’t emotionally here. Could she be a better mother yes, but again she had plenty of reasons to be distant such as trauma, postartum etc. Every second manhwa is filled with fathers much worse than her without her reasons, yet they don’t receive even 1% of the hate and readers are literally simping on them?? Not to mention as the last chapter shows she tries to fix her mistake. Secondly, I’m amazed at the people who whine why she doesn’t stick with Will. Imagine thinking killing her childhood friend who was like her only family isn’t a good enough reason to distance yourself from your lover... yikes. Not to mention the rape stuff. Reading some spoiler before finishing reading almost made me drop the story, but I’m glad I didn’t. Honestly Rein is probably my favorite FL from all the manhwas I read. And I also liked the way Will grew up and was acting in the last chapter. The author did amazing showing a toxic relation and the way they both evolve, as none of them are perfect and have their flaws.
I've never been so annoyed reading a spoiler thread. Most of you are complaining about the FL and how you're dropping this, literally just drop and leave. You are reading a YANDERE manhwa, of course there is toxicity, obsession, problematic behavior and the like. Stop moral grandstanding and flooding this thread about child neglect. NEWS FLASH: hurt people hurt people. Wilhelm literally purposefully left her best childhood friend to die, of course she's upset and she let's it out on an innocent person. This is how it is in the real world. And no, I am not DEFENDING her, but you have to UNDERSTAND she associates her first child to him because he is his carbon copy in looks and behavior. And this is what makes this story so damn interesting, because for the first time we have a female lead not being perfectly good. If you don't like it, go read some cookie cutter story with perfect Mary Sue characters Me and the people that have a tolerance to reading realistic stories will be staying here. Ps: this thread is like going to a Game of Thrones thread and seeing people complaining that Jaime pushed a child off a tower and how dare he and that they are dropping it. You are reading a dark story, ofc the main characters are problematic.
Stay away from kids yikes. You guys will even defend child abuse as long as it's the self insert MC. It's lucky the child is a plot drive who dosent act like a real chuld and has no trauma or anything an easily forgives the abusive bitch If it was the MC getting abused you guys would be having anerysum saying how the parents are so abusive and the MC should never forgive But hey. As long as you can project onto her she can never be wrong Lmfao comparing her with Jamie. He acutally suffered for his actions and was a well written character sans season 8. Your mary sue got everything handed to her and no one called her shit out I agree though. She should lose a hand and be on the run for her life before being forgiven instrad of being a badly written peice of shit who whines and gets forgiven without doing any work The only people who defend her probably blame eveetone else for there mistakes too and are just as entitled and selfish as her Your so goddammit annoying. Apparently we should applaud the bitchs child abuse or we hate women. Gtfo with that abuse apologisim
The FL is better than 99% of manhwa father yet they don't get 1% of the hate yall have for her Again, the child was well taken care of and had a parental figures in Dietrich but yall make it sounds like she tortured him everyday or something. You treating Jamie who killed a child better than FL who wad simply emotionally distant to a child who otherwise had all his needs met and grew up privileged tells me all I need to know yall are speaking out of pure misogyny and double standards. Not to mention it was almost the norm for noble families to leave all the childcare to servant the way she did.
I hate 99 percent of fictional novel men so I would never defend shitty fathers. It takes alot of fuckery For me to defend a novel man over a women and I hate myself for it but damn this one made me do it Thing is Jamie is way better written then the FL and he actaully got his karma in the end while the mc was easily forgiven and had happy ever after Also the kid didn't die. He eventually ascended to the iron throne so...
The FL got betrayed, had her father murdered because of her, spend a whole life of misery going crazy, got raped by ML who drove her to the point of her attempting suicide, she knows her lover almost killed her childhood friend who was her only her only family left because of her and his jealousy and she sees him living without his memories because of her, And you're mad she didn't suffer enough for ensuring her first child is well fed, educated, not harassed and has people to rely on around himself even if she couldn't provide emotional support because of her trauma??? Her children were literally the result of ML raping her and she still found it in herself to care about them after all? And you comparing her to a man who tossed a child out of a high tower to kill him with close to no chance of survival??
She was more loving to her rapist then her innocent kid and went off to have another kid with him AnD yOuR cOmPaRinG heR tO a MaN- you dont not know how to read apparently . I'm saying that Jamie is acutally a character and not a self insert like the MC. He dosent have people defending his every actions. We know he's a terrible man. The book dosent pretend otherwise The Mc of this one meanwhile has the book excusing her actions and you too the number 1 abuse apologist I don't ever think you've watched game of thrones. Pick something that you've actually read/watched cause you're comparing apples to oranges The MC does so much shit and hurts her own child yet it's brushed under the rug. It's bad slop the author wants to shove down her throat cause she knows inserters will probably throw a fit if the MC has to take a bit of accountability if you wanna defend the MC who never answer's for her mistakes go ahead , heaven knows people on this site do that for MLs already. But don't pretend she's more then that ans she deserves forgiveness without actually working for it She isn't better then the shitty neglectful dads of this genre who get forgiven Now don't reply to me if your gonna keep on bringing up her backstory in why it's okay for her to abuse her kid It's gonna keep going in circles at this point She should have given him up for adoption if she was gonna blame him for everything, yet she didn't. Cause she wanted to emotionally torture him for the sins of his dad And dont give me that bullshit of him reimidng her of her rapist when she happily lived with him. It's okay for her to be a deadbeat and get back with her rapist. But fuck her innocent kid who she abandoned. What a girlboss queen 10/10 BTW it may not seem like it when he's akid but abandomentt issues come up when the child becomes an adult. So yea. He's fine for now as he's a kid and dosent know better. But then he'll find out mommy and daddy don't want to live with him but are fine living with his sister That's when the Resentment starts. Hopefully he disowns his shit ass parents who pat themselves on the back for doing the bare minimum
Can you spoil us more 1. how and when ml and fl getting back together 2. Any sweet moment between ml and fl after they getting back tgt 3. Any sweet moment between ml and his children
It's disgusting how people excuse FL and try to justify everything she did but would go crazy just because ML kissed some girl BRUH. Didn't they both suffer abuse and try to manipulate each other? They're both at fault with whatever shit they've gotten themselves into (their relationship, I mean). Gosh, first FL I've ever hated in history. Why is this even a happy ending?
Where did I defend child abuse? I am saying that people are reading a dark yandere story so of course the characters are PROBLEMATIC and TOXIC and an INNOCENT child suffered neglect. Nobody is defending her decision to do that. Re-read my message. Also I literally read yandere stories so no I don't go around crying that MCs are getting abused. I am defending this forum against "I'm dropping" vocal haters because Reinhardt is a FLAWED and very REAL human being. Also, I will defend Reinhardt for being a flawed FL, she is a hurt woman hurting other people. Look this study: Studies have shown that people can develop negative attitudes towards individuals who resemble someone they dislike. This phenomenon is linked to the malleability of automatic attitudes, where exposure to images of disliked individuals can influence our biases and treatment of others who share similar features. Specifically, research by Dasgupta and Greenwald found that automatic preferences and biases can be altered through exposure to images of admired versus disliked individuals, suggesting a cognitive basis for such negative treatment (American Psychological Association). People in this thread can continue reading this and being critical of Reinhardt, I will be understanding of her actions tho. The problem is when they come here and on comment sections in manhwa sites saying "SHE IS SO EVIL, I AM DROPPING THIS, THAT POOR CHILD". Like... just drop it? You literally signed up for this? Did you not see the cover, read the description, read the spoilers? If I don't like a story, I don't keep flooding that story's thread about dropping it. You are ruining the vibe. People will literally watch their faves physically hurt people, kill people, etc and none of you haters can *tolerate* reading emotional neglect for a child? Get a grip or switch up to your Mary Sue perfect-acting FL stories. Also, calling Reinhardt a Mary Sue is one of the funniest things I've read on this thread. She is so deeply flawed and I will defend her for being flawed, that's what makes her INTERESTING. Aren't you literally calling her an abuser? How is that a Mary Sue? She literally has post-partum depression, only wears black bc she is always mourning her late father, Wilhelm raped her for 3 days, her whole family is dead or missing their memory, and she didn't even get to enact her revenge by her hand. You watched Game of Thrones? Good. That story has a BUNCH of problematic behavior. You know why it's one of the best shows? Because it doesn't have cookie cutter main characters, they all make bad decisions and they are REALISTIC. Rein is on the same level as Cersei for me. She is flawed, but she is so interesting that she MAKES the story unique and compelling. Are you saying Jaime should be forgiven for trying to KILL a child because he went through some bad stuff after? Explain yourself because that is hilariously hypocritical. "OMG Cersei is so toxic, I can't believe she emotionally neglected Joffrey, I am dropping Game of Thrones" < what some people in this thread are doing lol
Cool story. The narrative doesn't punish her for her actions while game of thrones punishes its abusers. Stop comparing this wattapad slop to books that have more then 5 percent of thought put into them
the fact that some of you think a woman must be burned at a stake for being emotionally distant to a child who was otherwise well taken care of thanks to her... and trying to mend the relationship while he's still a kid and treating him with love... while excusing men who literally killed children... yikes. Either way, I agree about Rein being realistic and this is why I like her, unlike the perfect Mary Sues and Saint Marys some people expect FL to be, being all high class psychiatrists for murderous men and holy mothers to his 5 kids while kissing everyone's feets and blinding the world with her halo. Despite the fact that she was abused, raped, tortured and betrayed all her life. In fact compared to real traumatized mothers, Rein treated her children well.
"It's okay to abuse your children cause men do it too" No one here is defending shitty father's. Stop talking to the voices in your head
Both of them are shitty parents in my opinion but what can you expect for those 2? You can't expect them to be a good parents when they can't even be good for them self, they got to fix themselves first before being a parent. Can't be a parent with a mentally retard mind.
Yea I don't understand Korean novels that push this kid ending...even if the parents are fucked up peices of shit that'll keep the cycle of abuse going I feel like it's propaganda since there birth rate Is down due to KR women not wanting to marry or have kids cause the vast majority of KR men are incels I just hope when the kid grows up he figures out who his true family is instead of losers who only visit him once a month Like they don't even deserve to be called his parents Either suck it up and acutally parent your kid or stay out of your kids life so he can bond with his true parents instrad of the egg donor/sperm donor who pat themselves on the back for being such great parents/s
LOL. I'm having fun reading all the pro FL and anti FL comment . You all have a point. but It's just differ to individual moral. The only things I can comment about FL treatment to her son is that whatever reason, purpose, excuse you have to hurt/abuse/or whatever you called FL did to his son, it can't be justified. A mistake is always a mistake. Wrong will never be right. I just can't believe FL can be an evil character, I can accept if she is evil towards other characters but to his son?. Her own flesh and blood. So sad. My mother hate my father, like hate to the bone, they separated, but she never ever hate us. My brother is a carbon copy of my father but she is her favorite child, im jealous, but I can manage . If I compare FL to my Mom, I don't know where did FL hid her motherly love, I thought mother can do anything for her child, but FL hatred to ML is stronger than her motherly love. That's all for me.