Spoiler Return of the Mount Hua Sect (화산귀환)

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  1. Kayden_00

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    Will Chung Myung surpass Chun Ma?
     
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    ((TL;DR = Just believe him.))

    He will certainly become stronger than he was in his past life, way way way stronger. But then again we don’t know the exact power of Cheonma. The only thing we know is that he’s so strong to the point of incomparable to the bishops (mind you that bishops are still threats to Geomjon and even cause Dangbo to fall unsconscious for a whole week). Some of them still survived after a hundred years and seeing the reappearance of one of them….. yeah it’s gonna be a tough time. Biga also stated that Cheonma has the potential to become even stronger than he was too. Personally I believe that he will. The problem is how many years will it took for him since Cheonma is probably farming inside the body of someone, somewhere in jungwon rn as we speak:blobpopcorn_cool:

    anyway

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    conclusion : just trust grandpa.

    (p.s. Webtoon I hate your translation <3)
     
  3. ClearSongWillow

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    bah yeah, you need identify verification for if you want to pay for cookies to buy chaps with. Everything about naver is so stupidly difficult for foreign fans:blob_catflip:

    did they end up getting back to you on that? you have to send them ID and wait for an customer service rep to get back to you if you go this route. Alternatively there's lots of ways to get free cookies on Naver if you download their mobile naver series and naver webtoon apps.
     
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    At this point who cares if it’s disrespectfulㅠㅠㅠ by chapter 1387 which is the newest chapter it has been exactly Five Hundred And One chapters since Isong Baek said “See you again soon, Cheongmyeong Dojang.” And One Thousand And Thirty Six chapters since they declared Bongmun. They missed the news about Magyo in the North Sea, Cheonumaeng’s creation event, Saparyeon creation, Gangnam Treaty, Hwasan’s Bongmun, Maehwado and the fall of the Namgung Family, Hangzhou massacre, and Haenam. At this point those beggars should’ve kick down their front door already.

    (also, I’m hoping for Kunlun, Ami, etc and the rest of the 5 Great Family to get more spotlight when the war comes. I miss Wudang too, but more like curiosity since they fucked up so bad the last time and I wonder how they will be able to get back up and what’s their situation look like. Plus, Mujin and Jinmu’s growth!! (Cheongmyeong’s forgotten kids))

    Always leave it to Yoo Iseol to protect gramps’ privacy. Because Sajil is Sajil, right?
     
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    Don't worry, they will show up at some point. I came to realize the author is planning to make all the future sect leaders to train under Chung Myung. I'm like 90% sure that something big will happen and that something will make Lee Songbaek & Jin Geumryong come to Huashan (or something similar).
     
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    Please share your experiences about reading the mtl with me. I caught up to the latest translations, - 260ish, the Shaolin competition - and I can’t wait for more. I tried reading the mtl once, like around 100ish chapters, but thought I would rather wait for translations for more enjoyment. Now I can’t.

    Could you guys enjoy it? Would you still read it and not wait for translations if you could choose? And which site has the best mtl?
     
  7. ClearSongWillow

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    Anything is possible for the desperate. How badly do you want to know what happens next hm? :blobhyperthink:

    Also are you reading SDO's TL? Mylasted is also TLing the series - he's up to like around ch 500for the patreon readers and around 440 for the free chaps.

    Part of reading mtl is just accepting that somethings are just not going to make sense and that you're playing a game of fill in the blanks based on context. Also see the MTL glossaries in page 3 (scroll to the bottom) and page 4 (top of the page) of this thread put together by etherealmn and mylasted. Those are super helpful in surviving mtl. Altho it does get easier once you're used to it. My brain now auto converts most of mtl's strange terms. :blobsweat_2:

    Are proper TLs more enjoyable? - absolutely, but that requires patience. And who has that? Not me.
    Do I regret reading MTL? NOPE! I need to know what happens next NOW. :blob_catflip:

    So it's really up to you.
    Any sane person would probably just wait for chapters to get a proper TL.
    Any reasonably sane person would probably stick to the free and easy to access raw/mtl chaps available online.
    I'm clearly neither, so some friends and i have been bending ourselves backwards to get the latest raws off naver to run through mtl ourselves. :blobrofl:

    so my question now is - are you one of us? :blobpeek:
     
  8. etherealmn

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    first of all, my initial impression of MTL is "what in the actual hell is this". I went to the novel to read about the HwaJong Competition, but can't even find what chapter I should read to continue so I scrambled for a bit (lol). When I saw the MTL I was determined to quit after the competition ended but honestly I can't even remember what motive I had that day to continue reading (it's madness and desperation). The chapter count probably blinded me. And... after that the first arc after timeskip was a complete blur in some areas to me especially the quick-paced and intense action scenes. I got the rough idea of what happened, but my head will automatically skim-read that part so that's that. @MyLasted translation really enlightened me about that arc lmaoo. The match with Dang Gunnak was confusing too (why did they suddenly fight wait why is he treating him so nicely now what the hell okayy they're friends now got it), I got it just after rereading for the 2nd time. Back then I don't even know what Dangbo actually calls Cheongmyeong before I finished MTL (Dosa?? what's Dosa??? mistranslation?? did I skip something?? nvm just keep reading. Oooohh it is a nickname!! Cheongmyeong IS a Dosa!! so it's Dosa Hyeong-nim).

    I can assure that it gets better the more you read though. Just like @ClearSongWillow said. You learned to navigate it overtime and your brain automatically comprehends it. Around 250 chapters should suffice I think........ By then you should be able to understand it perfectly.

    I enjoy reading MTL tho. The story is still so funny even with it. Now especially I prefer to get the raw rather than the MTL provided online and then google translate it myself just because some translation site likes to cut off parts here and there (.....). If the translation doesn't make sense I could break the sentence word per word or do some light search for any idiom or metaphor. Also, proper translation sometimes uses terms that I don't like lmaooo. I still like reading them when I can't bother to do anything tho. But for any 1000+ chapters, it's not like you have any other choice other than MTL (unless you're willing to wait for like, 10 years BUT WHO HAS TIME FOR THAT WHEN THERE'S ALREADY THE NEXT CHAPTER IN FRONT OF YOU)

    The MTL for every site is the same. Usually I read here just because I like the UI and it doesn't have ads. Personally, I recommend searching for raw and then google translate the page for reasons above.
     
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  9. trying to study

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    They haven't yet since i didn't realise while setting up the account that I'll need to put my actual name on it and then when the verification didn't go through, i realised I'll need to make a new account and wait for a month to retry. Since each contact can only try registering once a month. So yea i 100% agree that they make registration sooo unnecessarily difficult for foreign users.
     
  10. ClearSongWillow

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    LMAO. I know someone who had to use another phone number to re-make a naver account with their actual name to get through the ID verification. Its's so annoying.

    Just download the mobile webtoon/series apps and farm free cookies. They're surprisingly easy to get for free.
     
  11. etherealmn

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    .......Just found out that some of my posts have been deleted....... c'mon does it hurt so much to at least notify me first to back it up??:blobsob::blobsob: why must I find out this way.
     
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    Yes, I’m reading that TL. I didn’t know a site already has it up to 440, what the h**k have I been doing, thanks for telling me:cry:

    I think I’m gonna read those free tl chaps then decide whether to become one of you and start mtling. And I’m kinda desperate, I didn’t want to read spoilers but inevitably got some, and I can’t wait to read those parts. And thanks for the tips!
     
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    heres the link if you cant find it over google! https://mylasted.blogspot.com/ :blobtriumph:

    not sure how strict the NU mods are over fan TL links so save it quick incase my comment here gets nuked :blobpeek:

    hehehehe - oh trust me this is how we all started. "I'm just gonna check how this arc ends --> 1000 chaps later.....F@$#...."
     
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    I also have an experience like this with mtl, but like a whole arc is completely blank for me. It’s Return of the Frozen Player, idk if you know about it, it’s not that popular (yet?). After that I swore I won’t read mtl because I want to enjoy it, but this one has such a wide popularity that it has to be better than that one.

    And yes, I also was like, we are only at chapter 200-400, it already has 1400+ raws and counting, how many fre***g years will it take to finally read it? And I think I’m gonna take up that advice about getting the raws for mtling when I get there. Thanks!

    Thank you! When I get home I’m gonna start reading that immediately:D
     
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    Hi Infinite Void, I deeply appreciate for this small resume about further chapters. May i ask is there any possible way for me to find them?
    Ethereal Arkadasim, 953 uncu chapter dan sonrasini bulamiyorum. Nereden buldun?
    Hi, Chapter 1365??? i am still looking for Chapter 954 to continue. Any idea where to find?

    Hi TimeToRead i wonder if Any Possible way to read further 953? Download from womewhere maybe?
     
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    which website is making daily updates? i am still stucked at 953... Please help.
     
  18. ClearSongWillow

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    @Uncopyright @Zanwolfe and I have decided that sharing the suffering in discord isnt enough and that we need to make the lurkers NU suffer too. The korean fandom put together some really well thought points that tie back to the older chaps. It's so good I tried my best editing the mtl to share with the rest of you. So please read the angst the analysis and cry with us.

    Disclaimer: i do NOT know korean and none of these analyses are mine. I merely edited lightly the comments below using the best of my mtl knowledge/context. I tried to rephrase some things to make it more comprehensible but the links to the originals are also included if you'd rather just read it yourself.


    Misc TL/MTL/Fandom Jargon Notes that may be relevant before reading:
    Hwagwi = Short form of the novel's full name Hwasan Gwihwan - fandom jargon

    Guhwasan = old hwasan (100 years ago) - fandom jargon

    Hyeonhwasan = new hwasan (now) - fandom jargon

    Ogeom = 5 swords (originally the nickname for CM + the 4 original Hwasan students following CM but recently cuz CM has been standing out so much, CM is not included in it anymore and it refers to CM’s entire party instead - Baekcheon, Yu Iseol, Yoon Jong, Jo Geol, Dang Soso, Hyeyeon)

    Jangmunin = Sect Leader (its a title. NOT a name. Official webtoon TL must’ve been drunk.)

    Sahyungje = Sahyung & Saje in plural (includes both older and younger)

    (매화검귀) Maehwa Geomgwi = CM's current nickname given to him by sapa.

    (매화검존) Maehwa Geomjon = CM's old title from 100 years ago. Fan TLs will call it Plumblossom Swordsaint or a drunk webtoon TLer will call it Master of the Blossoming Blade but his full title "Maehwa Geomjon" is more accurately TLed as "Plumblossom Sword Supreme/Sovereign" I think Asura switched to using "Supreme" recently but i like Sovereign personally. It sounds cooler.

    Geomgwi vs Geomjon - so the "jon" in CM's old title is a title of respect added to reflect someone being the absolute strongest in the field. So e.g. Dangbo's old title Amjon = the absolute strongest user of hidden weapons while CM's old title Geomjon = the absolute strongest sword user. I'm not an expert but from my understand "gwi" is also a sign of respect for CM's sword prowess but not as good as "jon". It's a subtle nuance utterly ruined by mtl however as both will just get MTLed to "swordsman".


    PLEASE READ CH 1388 AND 1390 FIRST. Heavy spoilers as of for ch 1390 below

    Commentary by @hwasanhae on Twitter/funsetter

    Source: https://fusetter.com/tw/u70dDGI4#all

    1390) So far, Cheongmun and Cheongmyeong are so different that Cheongmyeong can't understand this person. (From the few mentions of the anecdote)

    Cheongmun in his memories... is a person of a certain personality who loved and cared for all the Sahyungje, including Cheongmyeong. However, after seeing:


    [Cheongmun love Cheongmyeong more than anyone else in the world] (1280) <,


    I wondered why the person I loved the most was put into the battlefield... I thought it was what it was... How many times has an ordinary human pushed the saje he loved the most to the point of life and death in order to save the world?



    ["...It's a great cause..." / "Do you think such a thing still exists? Is this me?"](717)



    717's words mean that only the future remains, not the cause, and it leads to the fact that only the remaining Cheongmyeong can kill Cheonma and save the future (the remaining children). It is understandable that I have to give up Cheongjin (even if I don't agree with you), but should I have pushed the swordsman so far in the battlefield before, not the last battle with Cheonma.... Cheongmun himself must have been in pain... < This was the point where I couldn't understand the whole Cheongmun. Because I thought maybe the Cheongmun might not have been that good of a swordsman. I did, but today



    [A life that prioritizes others over oneself.

    Cheongmun has been that way for a lifetime. He put others ahead of himself, and he prioritized others over advice.

    If he had to sacrifice, he sacrificed himself first, and if he had to sacrifice he sacrificed what he cherished most] (1390).



    Yes, the Cheongmun was just a gentleman.... I'm crazy.... I was really dizzy when I read this paragraph.... I sacrificed myself first. And if it's not enough for me, I'm sacrificing the person I love the most.... How can a single human do this? But the Cheongmun did it.... But TT The thing is that it's really crazy ㅜㅜ As Cheongmyeong came to this realization, he thought, 'Cheongmun sahyung may have wished for me to not become like sahyung’... …………………………………………………………………………………………



    [Because it was a Cheongmun that was walking on that road before anyone else, because it was a Cheongmun that understood how difficult and painful the road was, maybe... Cheongmun may have wished to not walk on the same path anymore.

    Even if it is against the duty of the Tao.](1390)



    Guhwasan’s Cheongmyeong was mentally immature, and I think I’ve said several times that he’s only becoming an adult when he came to Hyeonhwasan… This wasn’t simply because my Cheongmyeong was immature >>>>>Cheongmun (represented by It's because he didn't want Cheongmyung to become an adult. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ..


    Even Cheongmun, who had lived a life that puts others before himself, was a virtuous person more than anyone... 'Even if it is something that goes against the duty of a Daoin'.... So even if Cheongmyeong walks on a path that is 'inconsistent with the duty of a Taoist'.... If Cheongmyeong would rather die associating with Cheonma, the wind of Cheongmun would have been done . However, Cheongmyeong came back 100 years later.... Leading Hyeonhwasan.... Cheongmyeong achieved the growth that Cheongmun didn't want so much, and the fact that he became an adult made me...!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    ["Being an adult is tiring."](1320) < Please, really, TT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    I really like the fact that Cheongmyeong is still growing, so the return of the hwasan is a place that leads Hyeonhwasan (= the road that Cheongmyeong walked), who became a human but not a Taoist. I said it was going to be a story, but today the writer said yes, that's all right^^~ But the Cheongmun didn't want that ^^~ <<<<<< Writer please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is reader abuse, really!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



    [- You have obtained everything so easily. Things that are too difficult for others must be too simple for you. / - People think you are great, and they also fear you. Maybe you too.](1390)


    ["The yangban is so strong that he has never been properly beaten before. What will happen if such a yangban becomes an adult later?"

    "......"

    "I will become a reveler recognized by a real powerhouse and become a target of all kinds of clans. Then, of course, it will also affect the hwasan. Do you understand what I'm talking about?"

    "Yeah, for now..."

    "So, you should learn a lesson at least once in your life. If you act just because you're strong, you'll get hit hard. Am I wrong?"



    And this also drives real people crazy aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah I said I needed it, but the writer put this too, so I'm just confused......... Above all else, during today's Cheongmun, >You must be the same.< This... .. this ..... this ....


    Cheongmun is a person who can look into Cheong-myeong even more than Cheong-myeong himself. Cheongmun is aware of the true feelings that Cheong-myeong was not aware of, and as Cheongmyeong recalls what Cheongmun said at that time, he is now gaining realization.... He said that such a person may also consider Cheong-myeong to be afraid of himself. ......... Of course, the Cheongmun's words probably put more weight on < I consider myself great, but I am afraid of beings so great that they are beyond the original unknown boundaries.... Would you like to check <o>


    Anyway, Cheongmun did not wish for Cheongmyeong’'s growth and enlightenment, nor did she want such a situation to come to Cheongmyeong...



    ["Hey, sahyung. Are you watching?" / "Come to think of it, I never did anything sahyung wanted."](1390)



    Cheongmyung is screaming that he will grow even after Cheongmun all the words of the Cheongmun. .......................... Going crazy...................... ......... I'm crazy ............... Flow from the line of Cheongmun to this line of Cheongmyeong In summary, it's roughly like this:



    [- On the other hand, I am afraid. When one day you get something truly worthwhile, when you understand the meaning of what you created with your own hands. / - Could you be the way you are now? I wonder if I can still live like now.]


    [A life that prioritizes others over oneself. / Cheongmun has walked that path all his life. He put others before himself, and he prioritized others over advice.]


    ['I am now......' / 'I am afraid.']


    [As if everything disappears the moment Cheongmyeong disappears. If so, wouldn't that be the only way to survive? / Even if he loses a few of them, wouldn't he be a better choice than losing everything?]


    ["Come to think of it, I never did anything that the sahyung wanted." / "So... don't expect it. I'm just that kind of person."]



    Putting it like this...


    1. Cheongmun was afraid of Cheongmyeong growing up when Cheongmyeong had something of real value.

    2. The grown-up Cheongmyeong will soon live a life that puts others first, like Cheongmun himself.

    3. And Cheongmyeong declares that he will not fulfill the wishes of such Cheongmun (Cheongmun wishes for Cheongmyeong not to grow).

    4. Because once he understood the meaning of the hwasan that he created with his own hands...

    It leads to ............................................... ............... Oh, that's crazy. For the first time, I was afraid of death, and for the first time, I became afraid of death. It's because I'm afraid I'll never see the hwasan again, and even though I'm so afraid, it's the official that Cheongmyeong would rather die than lose the hwasan.

    It's a formula

    this is now



    ["So remember. Not everyone gets the sahyung. And that's not wrong. But if the sahyung doesn't break the pulse of those who are worse than you, one day, another person like the sahyung will appear in the hwasan." / "That's what it means to teach. It doesn't just mean nurture strong disciples right away."](715)


    ["Even if I can't make all of them..." / "Someone will carry on. Someone who inherits the blood of the Tang family and learns the 12 daggers."](903)


    [The deep regret that still lingers within him will follow what he has kept. Even if he doesn't exist where the past and the future meet, it doesn't matter. / Because the will is not connected by life.](1390)



    Only now, Cheongmyeong has truly realized what 'to pass on to posterity' is.



    [It was the sword of the swordsman (geomgwi) and also the sword of the swordsman (geomjon).](1390)



    That's why his sword was finally able to become the sword of the swordsman......


    Commentary by @huashan_IC on Twitter/funsetter


    https://fusetter.com/tw/HElRY7PH#all

    1390 - Cheongmyeong finally wants to live in this Hwasan. And even though I realized the fear of becoming an adult, accepting that I am an adult is too overwhelming and crazy.


    It seems that Cheongmyeong has finally realized all the thoughts he had today, explicitly… He could be afraid of death because he knew the identity of all the hearts he was holding. I understand that the fear of death is a part of becoming an adult... .


    1388

    [...you look down on people. What's the great thing about being alone? /

    A leaf hanging alone at the end of a branch swayed in the slow wind. Even when the wind dies down and the world turns into stillness again, the leaf that is left alone still shakes and shakes. ]


    1390 [I am now... afraid.]


    Since 1388, what is this? I wondered why, but it wasn't an external event, it was a sign that it was shaking from the inside of Cheongmyeong...

    He trusted the children to go alone and had been in this level of danger in the past, so this level is nothing. As I mumbled all the way to Haenam, now that I'm an adult, it's okay...

    But it's not really okay. I tried to understand Cheongmun, but I didn't understand it all. In the end, just like how Cheongmyeong wanted to go to find Cheongjin, it's as if Cheongmyeong wanted someone to come to find him. If he died here alone, where he was, he's afraid that Ihe doesnt know


    1390 [What are you thinking... … Did you survive it? Sahyung?]


    So, what Cheongmyeong understood Cheongmun was not about the adult-like, ultimate realization that he had to make such a decision for the sake of the Way, but about the fear of the moment he made that decision… It's a human-to-human understanding... … Neither the great gods nor the masters, but one person finally understood the other ㅠㅡㅡㅠㅜㅠㅡㅡㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅡㅡㅡㅡㅡㅠㅜ


    722 [A little while ago, this familiarity, swept my heart at the Hwasan landscape, but it suddenly felt unfamiliar. The feeling of incongruity made me nauseous. Cheongmyeong, who covered his mouth with one hand, drew his body. The world was spinning round and round, my ears were deaf and my eyes were far away.]

    1390 [A place where everything is still there. There is no only cheongmyeong there. Cheongmyung covers my mouth. There was a sudden feeling of nausea.]


    At the same time… In all 1390 episodes, Cheongmyeong felt nauseated only twice, but that's 722. While taking Cheongjin away (It's a compilation of 1300 episodes), Cheongmyung felt nauseated and dizzy once. That's a Hwasan in the past and present. I think it was a struggle that didn't know what to do in the middle of nowhere. Even after bringing Cheongjin, there was a sense of incongruity that no one else was there. Finally, I have to admit that I want to take root in the Hwasan and live ㅠㅡㅠㅜㅠ It's the only thing you want to live...


    1390 [But, Cheongmyeong-ah. On the other hand, I am afraid. When one day you get something truly worthwhile, when you understand the meaning of what you created with your own hands. can you be the same]


    The proof that everything Cheongmyeong had was 'just given' is the absence of infinite fear to show about losing it. Of course, there is nothing but resentment at the loss of Sahyungje and anger at Joongwon in his heart... One day, even if you suddenly lose your strength, the belief that you can do better by building it up again precedes it. It is a Hwasan that has collapsed but nevertheless, you get up and move on again thinking that it is a Hwasan. A huge river flows between what you have already lost and what you may lose. Although you may have expressed your discomfort at the fact that you might lose your power, you never showed your fear.

    He feels the fear of losing someone like that...


    Putting aside difficult human relationships, he was surrounded by Sahyungje, Cheongjin and Dangbo, and he took all the talents that were easily grasped by him... Unlike the past, where he swung and cherished it because he could, but was not afraid of losing it, all the relationships he desperately raised and scraped from the ground up, built with all his sincerity and effort for the first time in his life…

    Breaking up with all the people who have created a relationship that has never been easy for you must be the same as losing it, so the fear of losing it and wanting to live with you ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ ㅜㅜㅠㅠㅠ How crazy is that… Are you crazy... And Cheongmyeong, who embraced that valuable thing, can no longer use the talents given to her …


    It's nice to know that in general, being an adult means being helplessly stronger and of a healthier state of mind.

    But the truth is, being an adult is scary.

    I can't stay in the nest anymore, I break the shell of a world and come out to a rough world

    Responsibility, limitations, parting, everything that I only knew vaguely, in a state where I realized concretely, I recognized the things that were not scary because I didn't know, so even if it turns into something I'm afraid

    Just as Cheongmyeong reached the beginning of puberty by facing all the hardships and trials and tribulations she had never experienced while graduating from her long childhood across Mt. It's about trying with all your might to get something and achieve it. That's what humans have to do when they grow up.


    847 [I don't want to regret. If I can't avoid seeing someone die, at least I don't want it to be the death of my complacency. It shouldn't be the death of a dog because of my wrong choices. It shouldn't be an avoidable death.]


    Then, how much effort must a person with this kind of power try?

    If, as Cheongmun taught, the strong must fulfill their responsibilities

    As Cheongmyeong said, if there are deaths that can be avoided if Cheongmyeong works hard,

    Cheongmyung can't stop trying for even a moment


    1390

    [I'm afraid to die. Even more frightening is dying alone again with nowhere to go. The feeling of dying alone on Mt. Hundreds is vividly felt once again.

    … The deep regret that still resides within him will continue with what he has kept. ]


    In the end, Chung Myung, who does not want to feel that regret again, is now a person who is afraid but has to move forward… . As I said, I'm an adult

    That may be the reason why in 1353, Cheong-myeong, who was trying to realize something, forcibly woke up and fell off the cliff… It might be the last gesture to hold onto him so that he won't realize it anymore, and that he will remain as a little more selfish child as a more ordinary human being.


    1390 [Hey, Sahyung. are you watching Come to think of it, I never did anything the Sahyung wanted. So... don't even ask for it. 'Cause I'm that kind of person]


    When asked to become an adult, the moment when a child who has not become an adult refuses to cry that it is okay to be a child just a little longer and finally passes the guardian and becomes an adult... .asks if we're watching...


    But cheongmyeong

    You are not the only adult in the Hwasan

    Adults don't have to be alone, even when they have to face their fears... ..

    Commentary by @hs_ning on Twitter/funsetter
    Source: https://fusetter.com/tw/XcqRsexm#all


    1390 The wind of Cheongmyeong is not new

    In today's letter, Cheongmyeong finally revealed the wish, "I want to be with you where I have been protecting." While fighting for it, 'Why can't you fight like before?', 'Why are your hands shaking?' -> 'I'm afraid. losing me.' It is very clear that it led to the realization that


    However!!! This wind that Cheongmyeong realized by himself, is not a sudden wind. Because Hwagwi has shown the growth and change of Cheongmyeong gradually. Because he already told the reader. Those moments when the guy who wanted to do anything alone wanted to be together, those moments when he agreed to the saying that the road was not opened by me, but by us, and gave complete trust. And in the many hours that I have accumulated until that moment comes, I have become a person who is never the same as before ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ


    Of course, Chungmyeong is not a manhwa character who said, 'Now that I'm done, I'll die in peace...'. In fact, there wasn't even a second like that. Oh, I've been talking about this all year, but now I can show you episode 1390. I'm really nauseous today, but strangely my stomach is open. After all, the stuffy stomach should go down to something spicy. Heheㅔ I want to eat mashta rice cake.


    Anyway, Chung Myung's attitude so far is to live with a vicious attitude, but if you die unavoidably, you can't do it!!! Haven't you seen this a lot? A general who is ready to die, what is it? Do they want to die and stand on a battlefield where they almost die? Is Gyebaek-eun of Hwangsanbeol or Admiral Yi Sun-sin Menherin? It's not like that~~!! It's a resolve to lay down something so precious and protect it~~!!!


    However, the reason that Cheong-myeong was able to fight more mercilessly than ordinary people was because that “preparation” belonged to “a little child”, I think.


    People in the past loved Cheongmyeong, and Cheongmyeong loved them too, but it can be confirmed several times in Hwagwi's work that it was not a relationship that caused any kind of interaction. Cheongmyeong didn't understand what Cheongmun was saying, he didn't know what that love was, and he didn't know how to give it back. The fact that "Cheongmun" "understood" the child's act of throwing wild ginseng and throwing it as a child's love is close to being "understood". Chungmyeong did not express or convey it properly. Cheongmun sahyung found out that I just threw my heart out and left ㅠㅠㅠㅠ (“A grown-up”)


    Yes, Grandpa Cheongmyeong is someone who recently learned that Dangbo protected his back. . .... The things that Cheongmyeong had were given to him by those around him who loved him. He was just quiet, Cheongmyeong, who raised him with love, and the Dangbo approached him to become a friend. He's not saying it's not important. Whether you're a millionaire from birth or a self-made millionaire, isn't money precious? But who knows better the horror of "lost it"? Obviously the latter.


    To Cheongmyeong, Ogeom, the present Hwasan, and Cheon Woo-meng were the first things he got by approaching them first ㅠㅠ Ah, when did you grow this!!! How do you do this!!! While saying that, Cheong-myeong just accepted the children, just like Cheong-myeong, who suddenly became the nanny of the gossip saje. Oh Kangho, why are you like this~! Even though I said that, I found someone I could trust and made friends in it ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ Now, the world of Cheongmyung is a world made up of “reciprocal” in which Cheongmyung works hard and others respond to it ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ


    So it's scary. Because it was the first time I had a relationship in which the existence of "I" was involved, I was able to come to both the realization and fear that everything would disappear when "I" disappeared.


    For the first time, Cheong-myeong thinks about escaping from the battlefield, and Cheong-myeong thinks about protecting myself other than others. It really breaks my heart. It was the first time I feared death so violently, but the conclusion that Chung Myung reached was "to protect".... This feels like real growth.


    That's right. What is the difference between risking the life you can risk and protecting the life you don't really want to risk... which is more...


    +)


    My personal expectation is... Because Hyeonhwasan and Cheonwoomeng are not beings who stay in the same choices as in the past. These are the people who have always exceeded the expectations of Cheong-myeong, and they do not want to leave Cheong-myeong alone. ㅠ ㅠ ㅠ


    Even today, there was a story about dying alone at the top of Mt. Hundreds of thousands.... Whether it's a regression, possessiveness, or another world, the genre grammar shows the thirst that needs to be quenched the most. Betrayed by your husband and best friend and beheaded? Uh, I'm a good person from the past. Goodbye. I'll take revenge on them and be happy.


    Hwagwi episode 1 suggested
    1) Killing the less dead Cheonma (This is a secondary goal, killing the Cheonma is only a means, in fact, you can only find out about protecting the Hwasan!!)
    2) I was so lonely until the moment I died Uh, I had to survive to the end because I was the strongest... < I thought I was going to overcome this.


    The topic given to the inner growth of the character, not the action goal, is the story of Cheong-myeong, who has lived in the loneliness of the strong, and finally learns how to live together..... "Let's live together" ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ Let me live happily with the sahyungje who love this baby soft-bodied grandpa.
     
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    etherealmn Well-Known Member

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    Who doesn't love a good stabbing? Thank you shen. If I see one more person calling Cheongmun as Jangmun I will jump off a cliff. Anyway, Cheongmyeong's title has been getting closer and closer to his in the past now, just one character difference. I'm very happy. Maybe it will be completed during or after the war. Ascension at 40 years old let's gooo

    I can wait.........I'll catch up on holidayㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ the good stuff must be enjoyed to the fullest.
     
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    :blob_teary: the latest few chaps have been so good. I want to dump more comments from K-twitter but the 3 biggest ones have been shared now and there will be no end if i keep dumping them in here. Time for my own gushing tho

    Starting from ch 1388 uuwwwaaahhhhhhhhh where do I even start?!?!?!?!

    Yoon Jong's words to Baek Cheon after Baek Cheon's decision to leave Cheongmyeong behind mirrored Cheongmyeong's to Cheongmun 100 years ago when Cheongmyeong was ordered to abandon Cheongjin.

    AND EVEN THE TREMBLING AND EMOTIONLESS FACE

    :blob_teary: and then Cheongmyeong reflecting that he forced Baekcheon to make the decision that he hated Cheongmun for making 100 years ago........ :blob_teary::blob_teary::blob_teary::blob_teary::blob_teary::blob_teary::blob_teary: