Spoiler There Were Times When I Wished You Were Dead

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  1. BrightShinningAura

    BrightShinningAura Well-Known Member

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    I made an account just to say this
    After all this He has the audacity to just die?
    After treating her like that does he think him dying will justify all that?
    It's gonna hurt her more
     
  2. higurashihougi

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    Which means he lost his will to live, and he considered that his own existence no longer have any meaning.

    It is not easy for a human to achieve that level of self-loathing.

    Much better than the pieces of garbage who refuse to acknowledge their crimes, or who try to evade the punishments.

    At least the male lead expressed honest repentance. The ones who badmouthed the female lead, or advised the male lead to take a hardline approach, by far I see none of them made any apologize to the female lead. Duniya seemed to express some remorse, but she made no apologize, either.
     
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    Can someone answer the following
    1- what's the ML's end?
    2- what's the fl's end?
    And 3- what's the final conclusion of the story?
     
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    I don't care about judgments that are based on spoilers. Hasty negative or even positive reviews without actual indulgence are just audacious insults.
     
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    Alternate title: 'Gaslighting: A Hate-to-Love Story'
     
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    After the terrible time i had reading the manhwa , non of them is at fault, but she was stupid because she wasn't selfish enough, he wasn't a capable person because he just prejudged everyone with no effort , but he hurt her non the less , and suiciding isn't really a solution, he's just in so much pain that he doesn't want to live , it's not just that he hates himself , he doesn't hate himself that much otherwise he should choose to live in misery rather than die , because death would be a rest , and mc already told him that
     
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    fair observation you have there
     
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    I haven't read the novel and only familiar with manhwa but I don't know why people are hating ml? He didn't know what was going on with fl and for sure he was acting on his emotions but he did gave many chances to fl to prove her innocence even when he was being pressurised to kill her or dethrone her. It was fl who kept lying or denying the truth cause she was bound to do that cause of the magic on her. So I feel it is no one's fault. He sure did gave his words to trust fl due to which she picked his side but it's not like she had any choice. She knew herself what kind of man her father was and how could ml have even trusted fl when he knew the truth but fl kept denying. He was stuck too between heart and mind. I feel both of them suffered equally and it isn't only male leads fault.
     
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    The fl forgives the ml and they life together.
    The fl took some time to recover from her mother's death but in the end she still loved the ml sooo..yeah.
    They are back together.
    The Duke dies.they live together and in last they have a daughter
     
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    They really gaslight the crap out of her. Literally gave her no space to greive. Why was the ML all over her business. Like didn't she say to leave her alone?

    The ML sympathy is crazy. I get he doesn't trust her and didn't know what she was going through ( the Duke abusing her and all ) but damn he really abused her too. Humiliated her in front of servants MULTIPLE times. She couldn't say hi without him bashing her. What he did to her was really outrageous and disgusting. It's crazy cause when he was " giving her chances to prover her innocence " he was basically threatening her too. Please be honest if u had to withstand abuse from your father just for someone who also abuses u and hates your guts tell u to tell him the " truth " would u? Would the ML even believe her?. I know u mean well to try to understand the ML but they guy is a psychopath. It kills me how he was just " self loathing " and everyone is like " of lets forgive him. " when the FL literally had to go through worse. A question for everyone who supports the ML. Why is it that eveytime it comes out that the ML ( in stories like this ) had a bad childhood u instantly forgive him? Cause I know we all read the same manhwa and he was definitely giving her the same abuse her father gave her. The title shoukd be who can give the FL more trauma. Anyways good night yall. Stay safe. Please don't let this be u.
     
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    I am afraid that you completely misunderstand the situation here.

    People forgive the ML mainly because he honestly felt guilty and showed repentance. It is not because of the ML tragic past but it is because of the ML's repentance in the present that made people forgive him.

    Not to mention that he receive wrong information about the FL which directed him into a wrong intepretation of the situation. He was literally fooled. You cannot expect people to be friendly to you if you present no evidence of your credibility and there are information pointing to the opposite direction.

    The ML is human, not Yuri Revenge with the ability to read thoughts.

    Doesn't that mean the ML expressed honest repentance and was extremely tormented by his guilt ?

    He never made any attempt to justify his wrongdoing. He outrightly admit he was wrong and actively seek an atonement. What more do you want ?
     
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    Both the ML and FL are pitiful, they've both lived sad lives and in the end they both loved and hated each other. It's not a clean cut novel. The ML purpose in life was to kill FL father and find his childhood saviour(FL). In the end he hurt the one he cared for most. Tired of people blaming him like we're not omniscient readers compared to a character in a book. This is not about who suffered more, but how can these sad people find happiness. It's not our place to forgive characters lol.
     
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    Whats your problem bruh?? I
    That's not what am seeing tho. The people I have read excusing his behaviour don't even mention his repentance. Also how did he repent. Cause saying sorry all over again is not.

    Am sorry but this excuse/ explanation is not it. He was fooled which directed him into a wrong intepretation of the situation?? No matter what info u receive abuse is really not the answer to anything. Idk why he couldn't she divorce her since he didn't know why she had to be married to him ( beacuse of her mom ).

    Bruh nothing???? Am literally talking to the people why forgive him beacuse he was " fooled" not beacuse he felt guilty.

    Also some of us don't want to forgive the ML are u gonna say that to everyone?

    Bruh nothing???? Am literally talking to the people

    One more thing just beacyse he felt guilty doesn't mean we have to forgive him. This is my opinion
     
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    Because FL's dad was the one who decided everything,even their marriage,she and he had no choice but to marry each other,that is why he said she was a spy, which she was.
     
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    But I did mention his repentance.

    And even if people didn't, the FL repentance is a decisive factor that improves his image in many people here.

    Being mentally tortured everyday to the point of nearly broken down due to overwhelming feeling of guilt ?

    Use his power to take all the illessness of the FL to him ?

    Allow the FL to stab him ?

    Try to secure a deal favourable for the FL when the time they divorce ?

    Reject the noble's call to dethrone the FL ?

    Encourage the FL to push all of her frustation and anger into him ?

    Committ suicide when seeing that his existence merely bring pain to the FL ?

    Try to live on and try his best to be a competent emperor because the FL ask him to do so ?

    Use his body to block the attack of a monster which was directed to the FL, badly injuring himself in the process ? (mentioned in the novel, not yet in the manhwa)

    He was fooled into thinking that the ML is an agent of his worst enemy, and even one important ally, Alexis Duniya, pressed him to be hostile with the empress using her experience with the former emperor which was also very hard to rebuke at that moment.

    What would you yourself do in that situation ? Let me remind you that you are just a normal human, not Yuri Revenge with the ability to read mind.

    Some others have explained why the ML couldn't she divorce her at that time so I would not repeat it here.

    Worry not, I don't have time to do that. I have many more important things to do on the Internet and in the real life.

    But I will say out my opinion and defend it, whenever and wherever I see someone raising similar issues.

    Nobody coerce you to forgive the ML if you don want to.

    But, also, there is nothing forbid people to sympathize with his circumstance (he did have a circumstance) and/or forgive him due to his honest repentance (which is a valid reason).

    Which many people in this forum choose to.
     
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    The way he could have just divorced her ( Yes I know it would go bad for the Fl but since he doesn't know he wouldn't feel the sympathy) why couldn't he just divorce her?? Nothing was stopping him. He is literally the Emperor. Also he deserves all those things you said about him ( torture ) even tho he thought she was a spy ( which she was ) there was no proof and he really treated her like trash ( even trash get better treatment ) I didn't forbid anyone to not empathise with the ML if u read my OG comment it was me being amazed as to how and why people could forgive him so easily ( yes forgive not empathise cause that those are the comments I saw )

    So is his position as the emperor just trash then? How does a weeding get planned for him and he just goes along with it? Does he not have a choice? ( genuinely asking )
     
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    No he doesn't, he was in an even worst situation than the ML of How to Hide the Emperor’s Child, the power and influence of FL's dad was stronger, so strong that ML couldn't do anything when he knew FL's dad poisoned and killed all his family.
    Their marriage was decided because FL's dad wanted her to spy on him and wanted her to seduce him, control him and make him even more vulnerable than he already was, if he didn't kill ML it's because he needed an easily controllable puppet who wouldn't disobey him and would allow him to really wield the power in the shadow.
    Alive, Alive and they have a daughter and are living together.
     
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    A member of the forum has explained above.

    Sure, he deserve punishment for his wrongdoings.

    But he voluntary seeked for it and never ran away from his responsibility, didn't he ?

    What do you want more from him ?

    Because the ML repents.

    People forgive who honestly repent.
     
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    I don't know about y'all (lie, I just don't care lmao) but this is a good story tbh. I always search for good angst but this is the best so far. I mean, the author didn't hold back when they want to make an angst story because when ppl recommended me with some manhwa/novel that they said have good angst but when I tried to read, it's not enough to makes me very very very sad and angry at same time so yeah, this story really worth it if you want some good angst :cookie::cookie:
     
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    I was reading the novel on Yonder because I couldn't wait for the Webtoon updates lol. I really love how it's written. I got to ch 61 and ran out of coins :cry: Just wondering if anyone knows where to buy the ebook or hardcopy of the 5 volumes, even if it's not translated.
    Does anyone have the naver raws they'd be willing to share? I would do my best to translate.